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createful 58 minutes ago [-]
If it's called /dev/null... shouldn't all your responses be sent nowhere? Shouldn't it be a blank page? ;)
ineptech 8 hours ago [-]
Errant thought - I kind of hope that the actual social network for developers of the not so distant future looks more like a bunch of us separately building bespoke applications to serve files to each other.
> Dave: "Bot, add a folder to my personal data store with the pictures I took this weekend and share it with everyone in my poker group"
> Sally: "I see that I've gotten an email from Dave with a magic link conveying access to something. Bot, use this link to negotiate a key exchange with whatever weird app Dave cobbled together (ask his bot if you need help) and then log into my VPS and add a tab to my personal webapp to display the content he has shared."
Isn't that just called hosting a website?.. You can just give an agent access to your server and let them do all that, no?
There are also places like https://tilde.town/ if you want something more social media–esque
ineptech 7 hours ago [-]
Think of it this way - why didn't we all just replace Facebook with "host files on our personal sites and give each other access to them" ten years ago? Because we'd have to store passwords, identify each other past spoofed emails, figure out when/how to trust friends of friends, etc. In practice that means everyone adopting the same protocol, which is a chicken-and-egg problem.
That hasn't changed, but what has changed is that reading docs and writing the glue code is effectively free. The main problem with something like Solid is, if it takes even an hour to figure out how to get it going, I am effectively assigning my friends an hour of homework to be able to network with me. That's no longer true. If you like the Fediverse and I like Solid and Dave uses Nostr and Sally is stuck with some proprietary thing that came with her NAS, we can all build a network without any of us switching to, or even learning much about, each other's platforms.
raggi 58 minutes ago [-]
It’s actually changed for the worse. Now everyone wants their slop to be the winning protocol, so the competing standards problem has become far broader
voidfunc 7 hours ago [-]
Just need to dust off the finger protocol.
layer8 7 hours ago [-]
I like that it’s email-based.
SwellJoe 4 hours ago [-]
Mastodon is where I find the most (I hesitate to use this word) real nerds. The folks in it for the love of the game, not because it pays well or because they're chasing the latest trends. Nearly everyone I admire in tech is there, and very few of the people I think little of are.
Zambyte 3 hours ago [-]
My pleroma instance (alternative AP server) collapsed on itself, running out of storage mid upgrade, about two years ago. I didn't have the bandwidth to allocate to getting it back up and running, as I didn't have backups, and it wasn't an easy fix.Last weekend I pointed my (fully local!) agent at it, and it was able to get it back up and running.
Now that I have it up and running, my feed is entirely people just hating on LLMs. I have a hard time finding technical content that I enjoy on there these days.
SwellJoe 3 hours ago [-]
That's true, and it is a rift in the fediverse...some very anti-LLM voices are quite loud there. But, there are people there with a nuanced view of them, as well.
And, I would rather talk to an AI Luddite that's extraordinarily technically competent without AI assistance than someone who vibe-coded a startup with no idea how it works, and the former is far more common on the fediverse than the latter. I think it's unfortunate there's such a strong emotional component to talking about LLMs, as it's the most interesting technical innovation since the internet, but I understand it and I'm sympathetic to it (the AI companies have done a good job giving people reasons to hate and/or fear them).
perching_aix 2 hours ago [-]
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Karrot_Kream 2 hours ago [-]
I found success in starting our from an LLM positive poster and fanning out from their follows and building a follower graph. From there I fetch a few hundred of their posts and used an LLM to classify the posts as negative, mixed, or positive. I used this to winnow a set of follows. For now I just poll and generate a timeline HTML. This has yielded decent results.
But the problem with all of these Twitter clones is the political schism of Musk's acquisition has largely polarized the offshoots. You aren't just on alt-Twitter, you're on a specific polarized chunk of it.
matheusmoreira 3 hours ago [-]
Which mastodon instance would you recommend?
SwellJoe 2 hours ago [-]
I'm on mas.to, which is, I believe, the second largest after mastodon.social. I picked it because it's got the shortest URL, but it has been quietly reliable and up to date. Its moderation and defederation policies are stricter than some might like.
I follow many people who use infosec.exchange and hachyderm.io and they seem to be nerd-oriented instances. But it doesn't matter all that much, since you can follow and interact across the whole federation. I'd say just pick one that's reasonably large and old enough to have proven it is run by people who know how to run a reliable service and are in it for the long haul. It's possible to move to a new instance with only a little inconvenience, so don't agonize too much over it.
matheusmoreira 1 hours ago [-]
> Its moderation and defederation policies are stricter than some might like.
That sucks. I'm not exactly looking forward to joining another community with "strict" moderation.
Every mastodon instance I look up seems to be like this... Guess I'm stuck on X.
SwellJoe 4 minutes ago [-]
Every instance has their own moderation and defederation policies.
And, you might like to look into what that actually means. In the case of mas.to, the controversial decisions include defederation of instances that have a history of bigotry, usually anti-trans bigotry (the kind of bigotry lots of mainstream social sites allow and even protect).
Defederation is a large hammer, so some folks think mas.to is too strict. But, I personally prefer no slurs or child porn in my feed (adults posting nudes of themselves with a content warning is fine, both by my reckoning and the policy of mas.to), so I've never had reason to complain, nor have I ever had an interaction with moderators.
X is far more censorious than Mastodon of the kinds of free speech that are actually politically meaningful, so I'm surprised you call it out specifically as your free speech safe space. But, if you mean the same thing Musk means when you say "free speech", the right to punch down with impunity, perhaps X is the right place. Punching down is exactly the kind of thing that gets you banned on many Mastodon instances. It is a place that is by and large extremely intolerant of intolerance, but accepting of most everything else.
krapp 2 hours ago [-]
You can also get a personal hosted instance (I use masto.host) to serve as an identity instance pretty cheap, but you have to be careful about keeping track of media usage, avoid posting images and use relays sparingly.
Before that I just had an account on multiple (mostly gamedev) instances.
Mastodon has its issues but one benefit of decentralization is you don't really have to commit to anything.
lskdkekxnwixn 4 hours ago [-]
Naming the people you think a lot and little of would make your comment go from utterly unhelpful (with a dash of self-aggrandising bs) to bring an actual (if subjective) metric of how much value your insight actually holds.
chownie 4 hours ago [-]
What motivates someone to make a new account just for this kind of mundane and inappropriately rude comment? Why should anyone answer you?
lskdkekxnwixn 3 hours ago [-]
So what you’re implying is that arguments are only valid coming from old accounts? Good to know. I guess HN really is turning into reddit, isn’t it?
chownie 12 minutes ago [-]
"Hey I'm a complete nobody and I'm also really rude, please answer my questions" is not a winning play, nor is the rest of this dumb bait you're trying.
x______________ 1 hours ago [-]
> What motivates someone to make a new account just for this kind of mundane and inappropriately rude comment?
Mental illnesses, fear, lack of trust, hatred for HN having a simplistic and prone-to-abuse account registration system, or being a complete asshat.. the list goes on.
SwellJoe 4 hours ago [-]
I wasn't talking to you, four minute old account.
lskdkekxnwixn 3 hours ago [-]
You didn’t mention anyone by name and this is an open forum, 19 year old account. Weird that such a basic premise escapes you with a near two decade old account.
SwellJoe 3 hours ago [-]
I don't need to name anyone, I defined the term. If you're a real nerd (by my definition, given in my comment), you will know the kind of person I have in mind, both for whom I think highly of and those I think little of.
It would be nice if the website had more information about the platform before you create an account.
mnapoli 9 hours ago [-]
Fixed! Check out the website it shows content now, no landing page anymore
ajjenkins 8 hours ago [-]
Much better now, thanks!
I would describe the website as “twitter for developers and uses your GitHub account for auth”. It’s a simple concept, but I think using your GitHub account to sign in is a great idea and a meaningful differentiator. Good luck!
TZubiri 7 hours ago [-]
"twitter for developers and uses your GitHub account for auth"
No good developer would introduce such a security risk for novelty.
dkdkdkffi 4 hours ago [-]
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ersind 10 hours ago [-]
This was done only in two days, there are important pages missing.
embedding-shape 9 hours ago [-]
> This was done only in two days
So not at all ready to be seen? Maybe we should all flag this so it can re-appear once someone spent at least a bit of time on making it proper and ready for public consumption?
mystifyingpoi 9 hours ago [-]
Does this excuse the main page missing any information what this thing even is? Come on.
JdeBP 7 hours ago [-]
Thank you, but no. I'll stick with /dev/tty0 . It's federated.
davidcollantes 36 minutes ago [-]
Looks like every post is a commit that needs to be approved by someone (they show as “pending"). How can that scale?
I have a petty complaint: if you name your social network after a core Unix concept, then why make your users login exclusively through a Microsoft subsidiary?
retromagik 9 hours ago [-]
Based on the branding, I think their target demographic assumes the dev in /dev/null is short for "Developers"
ASalazarMX 9 hours ago [-]
It's a cute name, but considering how combative developers can be about naming, I think it should have been more clever than cute.
If 'dev' is developer, 'null' makes me think it's for worthless developers, or for things that developers don't care about.
bee_rider 7 hours ago [-]
Well it is a social media site, isn’t that where everybody puts the things they don’t care about?
joshuat 9 hours ago [-]
dev = developer
bin = trash
smnplk 6 hours ago [-]
Lmao
pitched 9 hours ago [-]
GitHub is a social network already. You’re logging into one social network with another social network. And I’m complaining about that fact on a different social network. What has the world come to?
ASalazarMX 9 hours ago [-]
DM me and subscribe if you want an explanation.
stephenlf 10 hours ago [-]
Is this a real question? If so, here’s a real answer:
GitHub is the single most widely adopted, developer-specific OIDC identity provider.
If it’s facetious, then WSL BABYYYYYY
mystifyingpoi 9 hours ago [-]
Why does this need OIDC at all? Basic email + password account is like 1-2 prompts away.
ASalazarMX 9 hours ago [-]
I guess at some point developers will have to prove they're serious developers by exposing their GitHub profile.
Edit: it's part of your profile already, better vibe code some random ideas to farm some GitHub dev credibility.
ranger_danger 9 hours ago [-]
I don't think a github profile (or any specific activity therein) should be a prerequisite for being considered a 'serious developer'.
Terr_ 7 hours ago [-]
Yeah, it strikes me as a very... Silicon-Valley-brained view of software development.
For example, I'm sure there's a scary-talented engineer working on fluid simulation algorithms for a major aerospace manufacturer, and they would be fired if their work-product ever left the corporate VPN. Meanwhile, their personal stuff is in a self-hosted solution.
ASalazarMX 9 hours ago [-]
I am of the same idea. Requiring online, public repositories, specifically in GitHub, doesn't cover all developers. It covers many of them nowadays, so there's that.
funshed 6 hours ago [-]
It's built on laravel, email/pass/2fa/forget is all built in. GitHub auth only was a choice.
hobofan 9 hours ago [-]
Because effective anti-spam account measures are not 1-2 prompts away.
bigwheels 9 hours ago [-]
Maybe spam concerns, but your point remains valid.
mahboi 7 hours ago [-]
How about ssh public keys
funshed 6 hours ago [-]
It uses your GitHub public keys to authenticate so you can post from the CLI.
saghm 9 hours ago [-]
And having those passwords leaked is probably only another 1-2 prompts away
OtomotO 9 hours ago [-]
Guess I am simply not invited to the party then.
Or I am not a developer after all.
Identity crisis intensifies
pitched 9 hours ago [-]
The dev in /dev/null is device, not developer. So you’re not a device but you can still be a developer.
fatty_patty89 9 hours ago [-]
>Is this a real question? If so, here’s a real answer:
>Let's all be willing docile salves
This is how you sound
pants2 9 hours ago [-]
Nobody's forcing you to use that website
28304283409234 8 hours ago [-]
And for developers. Only a tiny percentage of the devs I know actually know what /dev/null is.
sandeepkd 9 hours ago [-]
How does publicly published PGP based login sounds?
iberator 6 hours ago [-]
Good point.
What if Microsoft black listed me from GitHub forever?
I'm also banned from Facebook for like decade
ranger_danger 9 hours ago [-]
FWIW DOS and Windows both have a null concept too:
C:\> TYPE file.txt >NUL
C:\>
Daviey 9 hours ago [-]
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jrecyclebin 2 hours ago [-]
Highly recommend going through the onboarding process and using it a bit. The git analogies and visual metaphors are a nice touch.
flanz_10 6 hours ago [-]
> Everyone here signed in with GitHub.
ugh.
stephenlf 9 hours ago [-]
I signed up for TextLog a few weeks ago. I love the text-only social network, but their European infra meant too much latency for my US-based browsing. Maybe this will scratch that itch!
RonanSoleste 7 hours ago [-]
Y.a.t.c (yet another twitter clone). Except for theming it brings nothing new to the social media space.
I also dont think sending my tweets to a null device will do much for development.
Ill put my bets on Bsky or Mastodon here.
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ktosobcy 7 hours ago [-]
Seems to be down...
What does it use? masto or hand-crafted stuff?
measurablefunc 7 hours ago [-]
I don't think you're getting the joke, the site is literally called /dev/null.
funshed 5 hours ago [-]
Laravel Backend, TypeScript Frontend.
sp4cec0wb0y 9 hours ago [-]
Your posts have to be approved? Odd way to run a social network imo.
rafram 9 hours ago [-]
Kind of makes sense for a small operation. Better that than miss something bad for eight hours because the admin (presumably singular) is sleeping.
funshed 5 hours ago [-]
Uses AI, Jev or similar.
hk1337 9 hours ago [-]
> Failed to open page
I'm guessing that wasn't expected result.
deadbabe 9 hours ago [-]
/tmp/social would have been better I think. dev = device, doesn’t make sense.
hk1337 9 hours ago [-]
I like it. I might steal that.
ersind 10 hours ago [-]
Looks good!
JaceComix 9 hours ago [-]
Which part looks good?
The <50 words or the YouTube video?
I'm not saying this isn't a good idea or that people don't want something like this but... There's nothing here?
sidrag22 9 hours ago [-]
yep im confused, i see a handful of words that signals almost nothing other than there is potentially something behind the login gate. then an 8 hour video... im not just gonna jump into some random 8 hour video without any context, just as im not about to signup for something with no context for what it really is.
jchonphoenix 7 hours ago [-]
Wasn't this originally HN?
PaulKeeble 6 hours ago [-]
As HN has gotten bigger its pulled in other communities and now its not very developer/hacker oriented anymore. Lobsters was the first push to have the deep software talk back and there will be more as HN caters to a different crowd nowadays.
> Computah... build me a social network in PHP. Import the user's profile from GitHub, they shouldn't have to fill anything in. No likes, reposts or algorithms. Add a catchy slogan at the home page. Make no mistakes!
This is interesting: a. Developers on average are probably low on E trait in the Big Five b. Most users in the online developer communities (at least the ones who will be doing the "social" part, per the standard 1% rule of social platforms) loathe LinkedIn-style stuff, being asked to log in or provide PII. c. Most "social" services devs regularly use are for technical/utility stuff (GH, SO, subreddits) more than the social aspect.
If a, b and c are true, then this site is reinventing HN/proggit with forced GitHub login on top. NGMI.
cyanydeez 10 hours ago [-]
conceptually, just sounds like a place you go when you don't want anyone to hear, see or think about you.
brabel 9 hours ago [-]
A dream developer experience.
thisisauserid 6 hours ago [-]
symlinked in.
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rvz 10 hours ago [-]
> No likes. No reposts. No algorithm. Everything else goes to /dev/null.
*Closes tab
aftbit 9 hours ago [-]
Just skip the whole thing and send your thoughts straight to /dev/null
stephenlf 9 hours ago [-]
Weird, especially because it DOES have likes.
mnapoli 9 hours ago [-]
Yep our bad, we fixed this, no landing page anymore
zahlman 48 minutes ago [-]
It's a really bad look not to at least review this sort of thing before going live.
wccrawford 9 hours ago [-]
No, it has stars. /s
sigh Yeah, that's really a bad look for them to claim no likes and then have something that is functionally identical.
xyst 7 hours ago [-]
Using GH as the only way to associate identity is a bit evil
TheChelsUK 10 hours ago [-]
Very good idea
lenerdenator 9 hours ago [-]
Devs need to be around actual humans in-person more, not less.
ASalazarMX 9 hours ago [-]
I have the right amount of humans in my life, I don't want more. Online is great for me, for this use case.
nailer 9 hours ago [-]
I can't see any of the content unless I sign in.
I don't know if I want to sign in, because I can't see any of the content.
satiric 9 hours ago [-]
I'm thinking of it a different way. In order to join a social media network these days, I need to have some assurance that it's going to be worth my time. They didn't provide any, so screw 'em.
simonhamp 9 hours ago [-]
it was supposed to be public. maybe it got reverted. the team were moving super fast
mnapoli 9 hours ago [-]
yeah that's fixed
mnapoli 9 hours ago [-]
That's fixed
mmwon 7 hours ago [-]
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ls-a 7 hours ago [-]
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andrewstuart 10 hours ago [-]
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nailer 9 hours ago [-]
> follow people who write code, and commit plain text to a shared log.
Isn't that Twitter?
verdverm 9 hours ago [-]
Twitter is gone, isn't it? X under Elon is not a place I will ever hang out
Discord is where more dev communities are moving to
drnick1 6 hours ago [-]
> Discord is where more dev communities are moving to
Discord now requires age verification, so it is user-hostile and nobody should use it.
verdverm 6 hours ago [-]
I have not been asked for any age verification yet, US based
nailer 8 hours ago [-]
No, everyone is still there talking about programming. Your choice, but you’re missing out.
verdverm 7 hours ago [-]
that's the thing, I do not think I'm missing out, HN is more than enough
I think the people who remain (on any big social) are missing out on IRL alternatives, if you get into it, you will find it is a much more rewarding way to spend your time.
> Dave: "Bot, add a folder to my personal data store with the pictures I took this weekend and share it with everyone in my poker group"
> Sally: "I see that I've gotten an email from Dave with a magic link conveying access to something. Bot, use this link to negotiate a key exchange with whatever weird app Dave cobbled together (ask his bot if you need help) and then log into my VPS and add a tab to my personal webapp to display the content he has shared."
That might be overly optimistic, but it doesn't feel that far off. It's kind of what Tim Berners-Lee build https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid_project for right?
There are also places like https://tilde.town/ if you want something more social media–esque
That hasn't changed, but what has changed is that reading docs and writing the glue code is effectively free. The main problem with something like Solid is, if it takes even an hour to figure out how to get it going, I am effectively assigning my friends an hour of homework to be able to network with me. That's no longer true. If you like the Fediverse and I like Solid and Dave uses Nostr and Sally is stuck with some proprietary thing that came with her NAS, we can all build a network without any of us switching to, or even learning much about, each other's platforms.
Now that I have it up and running, my feed is entirely people just hating on LLMs. I have a hard time finding technical content that I enjoy on there these days.
And, I would rather talk to an AI Luddite that's extraordinarily technically competent without AI assistance than someone who vibe-coded a startup with no idea how it works, and the former is far more common on the fediverse than the latter. I think it's unfortunate there's such a strong emotional component to talking about LLMs, as it's the most interesting technical innovation since the internet, but I understand it and I'm sympathetic to it (the AI companies have done a good job giving people reasons to hate and/or fear them).
But the problem with all of these Twitter clones is the political schism of Musk's acquisition has largely polarized the offshoots. You aren't just on alt-Twitter, you're on a specific polarized chunk of it.
I follow many people who use infosec.exchange and hachyderm.io and they seem to be nerd-oriented instances. But it doesn't matter all that much, since you can follow and interact across the whole federation. I'd say just pick one that's reasonably large and old enough to have proven it is run by people who know how to run a reliable service and are in it for the long haul. It's possible to move to a new instance with only a little inconvenience, so don't agonize too much over it.
That sucks. I'm not exactly looking forward to joining another community with "strict" moderation.
Every mastodon instance I look up seems to be like this... Guess I'm stuck on X.
And, you might like to look into what that actually means. In the case of mas.to, the controversial decisions include defederation of instances that have a history of bigotry, usually anti-trans bigotry (the kind of bigotry lots of mainstream social sites allow and even protect).
Defederation is a large hammer, so some folks think mas.to is too strict. But, I personally prefer no slurs or child porn in my feed (adults posting nudes of themselves with a content warning is fine, both by my reckoning and the policy of mas.to), so I've never had reason to complain, nor have I ever had an interaction with moderators.
X is far more censorious than Mastodon of the kinds of free speech that are actually politically meaningful, so I'm surprised you call it out specifically as your free speech safe space. But, if you mean the same thing Musk means when you say "free speech", the right to punch down with impunity, perhaps X is the right place. Punching down is exactly the kind of thing that gets you banned on many Mastodon instances. It is a place that is by and large extremely intolerant of intolerance, but accepting of most everything else.
Before that I just had an account on multiple (mostly gamedev) instances.
Mastodon has its issues but one benefit of decentralization is you don't really have to commit to anything.
Mental illnesses, fear, lack of trust, hatred for HN having a simplistic and prone-to-abuse account registration system, or being a complete asshat.. the list goes on.
https://dev-null.sh/sitemaps/commits-1.xml
I would describe the website as “twitter for developers and uses your GitHub account for auth”. It’s a simple concept, but I think using your GitHub account to sign in is a great idea and a meaningful differentiator. Good luck!
No good developer would introduce such a security risk for novelty.
So not at all ready to be seen? Maybe we should all flag this so it can re-appear once someone spent at least a bit of time on making it proper and ready for public consumption?
++ was (is?) the icon to upvote
https://www.phoenixframework.org/
https://phoenix.hexdocs.pm/channels.html
If 'dev' is developer, 'null' makes me think it's for worthless developers, or for things that developers don't care about.
bin = trash
GitHub is the single most widely adopted, developer-specific OIDC identity provider.
If it’s facetious, then WSL BABYYYYYY
Edit: it's part of your profile already, better vibe code some random ideas to farm some GitHub dev credibility.
For example, I'm sure there's a scary-talented engineer working on fluid simulation algorithms for a major aerospace manufacturer, and they would be fired if their work-product ever left the corporate VPN. Meanwhile, their personal stuff is in a self-hosted solution.
Or I am not a developer after all.
Identity crisis intensifies
>Let's all be willing docile salves
This is how you sound
What if Microsoft black listed me from GitHub forever? I'm also banned from Facebook for like decade
ugh.
What does it use? masto or hand-crafted stuff?
I'm guessing that wasn't expected result.
I'm not saying this isn't a good idea or that people don't want something like this but... There's nothing here?
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/soy_face
If a, b and c are true, then this site is reinventing HN/proggit with forced GitHub login on top. NGMI.
*Closes tab
sigh Yeah, that's really a bad look for them to claim no likes and then have something that is functionally identical.
I don't know if I want to sign in, because I can't see any of the content.
Isn't that Twitter?
Discord is where more dev communities are moving to
Discord now requires age verification, so it is user-hostile and nobody should use it.
I think the people who remain (on any big social) are missing out on IRL alternatives, if you get into it, you will find it is a much more rewarding way to spend your time.